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Old January 19th, 2011, 09:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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4G69 Intake Manifold Variations

As far as I can see the Mitsu Galant and Lancer have identical intake manifolds to where the Eclipse manifold is slightly different. I'm wondering if the slight differences would mean one style is better than the other. I'm planning on exploring this in a couple weekends to see if there are any volume difference between the two. But for now here's some info (Pics are of an actual 07 Galant manifold):

The Galant/Lancer manifold is a bolt on affair for us

The EGR valve is on the inside of the #4 cyclinder runner (instead of outside rear)
- You may need to lengthen the wire harness to reach

The EVAP Solenoid is on left hand side of the intake (instead of the right side)
- You will have to lengthen the wire harness to reach
- You may not have to run new hose, as theres extension from the factory (see pic 2)

The Brake Booster port is located on the left front side (instead of the backside)
- You may not have to run new hose, as theres extension from the factory (See pic 3)

The black manifold resonator on top of the plume is eliminated

MAP Sensor is in proximity as our manifold

Throttle bodies are the same

Throttle body plume opening are the same

Valve Ventilation hose is in the same area



EVAP Lines



Brake Booster Lines



No resonator port, this may be one of the biggest benefits as it won't disrupt air flow





RRE does offer a port/polish for this manifold for the Ralliart guys

http://www.roadracemotorsports.com/s...6f97b04ce22692

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Well I guess I'll just throw this out there ... The evo8-9 IM is interchangable with the 4g69 as some lancer ralliart guys have done this for a boost in torque but a slight drop in hp.. Take it for what it is .....
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^^^I thought it was the other way away: Drop in torque for a boost of HP. The Ralliart Lancer guys swap to the Eclipse IM for a boost in torque
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Well I guess I'll just throw this out there ... The evo8-9 IM is interchangable with the 4g69 as some lancer ralliart guys have done this for a boost in torque but a slight drop in hp.. Take it for what it is .....
I've googled this, but couldn't find an evo manifold that looked like it would bolt up. I'm really interested in finding out more about this.. do you have a link i could check out bro
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i thought the intak maniflod on the ra couldnt fit are head due to one bolt the was off like two centinmeters
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i thought the intak maniflod on the ra couldnt fit are head due to one bolt the was off like two centinmeters
Researched that earlier on... both cars use the same manifold gasket, so bolting them up should be no problem at all.
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really hold on let me find the thread and read up on it
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https://club4g.org/board/4g-eclipse-g...-manifold.html
Heres one of the threads
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Never mind dude it will bolt up it's just that it hits the fire wall the to long If I can remember why
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Thanks for that roman, good stuff to know
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Your welcome man just trying to help don't want any one to buy it and find out it doesn't fit just looking out
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I've taken my extra manifold to RRM and put it side by side to their PNP manifold, and along with the other differences listed (EGR mounting point etc.) we have one more sensor that runs out of our manifold.
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I swapped the manifolds today, and to say the least, it bolts right up. There is no clearance issues at all, and I'm using a thermal gasket. You will need to lengthen the wires for the EVAP solenoid, EGR Valve, and MAP Sensor. Dave, not sure about which sensor you're talking about, but every sensor was present on the manifold, just adjust the wiring and you're set.

As far as the vacuum hoses, the manifold originally has what you need for them. Mine didn't have the brake booster hose, so for now I just stretched the existing hose over the plume, but I'm planning on use the OEM gallery once I can locate one (see pics above).

Besides that, the other difference that isn't mentioned above is the flange for the throttle body is slightly slanted on the Eclipse manifold, where it is straight out on the Lancer/Galant manifold. However it didn't hinder connecting my cold air intake at all.

Visually, the Lancer/Galant manifold plume looks noticeably larger and I think the runners are also longer than the Eclipse plume. I have no supporting facts proving one is better than the other. Personally, I chose to run the Lancer/Galant manifold because it doesn't have the resonator cutout that the Eclipse one has. As Roman mentioned above, the Lancer/Galant manifold may give an increase in torque, but a loss in hp

I know I'm going to be asked if I felt any difference... but for tonight I didn't get to drive it much so we'll have to see how it does tomorrow. It did start right up, idled and drove 10 miles home with no problems at all. I did make one mistake when I had it apart, and I pushed the throttle body open and then pushed it closed again with my finger. My friend said I may have just uncalibrated the throttle body. I'm not sure if I did.. but it did't seem like it.

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With the crap weather we been having in update NY, I haven't been able to get on it too much lately. But from putting around it seems like the idle has smoothed out and it will pull more eagerly now... but it could just be me.
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werd. prob wont know unless you dyno it.
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Just a side note after reading a blog on the intake manifolds.
Longer runners = more torque and less hp
Shorter runners = less torque and more hp

This is taking the volume into consideration...
larger = less torque but better flow at higher RPMs
smaller = more hp at lower RPMs because of higher air speed

Intake Manifold Tech: Runner Size Calculations - Team Integra Forums - Team Integra

If there's anyway to try to measure the length of the runners between the Ralliart and the Eclipse, would give some insight into this matter. Thanks.
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I have a ralliart intake manifold I could measure ....
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Hey guys! Sorry to bump a really old thread. But I was looking for some data on the differences between the Eclipse and Lancer Intake Manifolds. I did some searching and found this thread but not really anything other than people discussing if the swap is possible. Obviously, it is. But what are the differences? Are there noticeable HP or Torque differences between the two? I've seen dyno sheets comparing the Lancer IM to the Evo IM and you can see that some power is lost mid-range, but picked up in the top end. But I cant find anything of the sort comparing the Lancer and Eclipse IMs.
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Hey guys! Sorry to bump a really old thread. But I was looking for some data on the differences between the Eclipse and Lancer Intake Manifolds. I did some searching and found this thread but not really anything other than people discussing if the swap is possible. Obviously, it is. But what are the differences? Are there noticeable HP or Torque differences between the two? I've seen dyno sheets comparing the Lancer IM to the Evo IM and you can see that some power is lost mid-range, but picked up in the top end. But I cant find anything of the sort comparing the Lancer and Eclipse IMs.
Just put a 38mm wastegate blockoff plate on your Eclipse intake manifold where that black resonator is located, I just hacksawed the top of the black thing off and bolted on the blockoff plate
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Hey guys! Sorry to bump a really old thread. But I was looking for some data on the differences between the Eclipse and Lancer Intake Manifolds. I did some searching and found this thread but not really anything other than people discussing if the swap is possible. Obviously, it is. But what are the differences? Are there noticeable HP or Torque differences between the two? I've seen dyno sheets comparing the Lancer IM to the Evo IM and you can see that some power is lost mid-range, but picked up in the top end. But I cant find anything of the sort comparing the Lancer and Eclipse IMs.
i believe the throttle body is a totally different size so unless youre switching to throttle cable i dont think itd make sense on an eclipse.

personally i think porting the stock manifold to a GT throttle body is our best bet. the only reason i could see for switching the manifold would be if you had easy access to one like at the junkyard. definitely wouldnt spend much to get a couple HP and probably loss of drivability on our eclipses.
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Thanks guys! I'm going to go ahead and use the Eclipse manifold. I have the Eclipse, Ralliart, and Evo style manifolds at home. I was just bouncing around the idea of if it was worth swapping to one of the others. I think it'll be fine to keep this one for now.
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