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As of June 2, 2012 The swap has been completed!
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This is where it will start and end, hopefully to the point where I can turn the key and drive it. Please save your criticism for the end I've heard it enough in the past, " You should have bought a GT." Those comments are not welcome here, if you do have something nice to say or a suggestion during the swap - then thanks, I would love to hear it.

I will edit this post to reflect parts obtain/needed and cost, so keep checking for updates. I'll be updating it a little later with parts I know I'm going to need. I will start Post # 2 with pics of the motor that was picked up today.

Parts list {[X] = obtained, [X][X] = included, [] = need to buy, [D] donated from 4g69}

Power Plant & Transmission
[X] Engine w/o exhaust manifolds or accessories $1095
[X]Engine Wire Harness Complete $230 http://www.spaldings.com/
[X] Transmission F6MBA-1-LKJA $630

Engine Management
[X] ECU $129.99 (eBay P/N 1860A516)
[D] Radiator (GS manual Radiator works with Gt manual. Autos need tranny coolers)
[X] Immobilizer delete and ECU Flash by Hackish at PSItuning $500 (www.uvtune.com)

Sensors
[D] MAP
[D] MAF

Accessories
[X] Alternator $45 (eBay)
[D] AC Compressor (Universal for GS/GT however mounting brackets are specific)
[X] Power Steering Pump $55 (eBay)

Brackets
[X][X] AC Compressor Mounting Bracket
[X] Alternator Mounting Bracket $40.79 (Dealer P/N MD375319)
[X][X] Power steering mounting bracket
[X] Shift Cable Main Mounting Bracket $50.91 (Dealer P/N 2460A053)
[X] Shift Cable Supplementary Mounting Bracket $10.87 (Dealer P/N 2501A068)

Drivetrain Parts
[X] Luk Clutch Kit 05-142 $188.88 delivered (www.partsgeek.com)
[X] Used OEM flywheel $75 delivered (http://benwoodautoparts.com)
[X] CV Drive Axle Shaft Left $85.90 delivered (www.macautoparts.net) Wheel hubs are universal
[X] CV Drive Axle Shaft Right 85.90 delivered (www.macautoparts.net) Wheel hubs are universal
[X] Starter $40.99 (eBay)
[X] CV Intermediate Shaft $80 (Dealer Part 3815A096) http://www.autowrecking.com/
[X] CV Intermediate Shaft Bearing $135.51 (Dealer Part 3817A110)

[Exhuast/Intake
[X] OEM Front Manifold, Y-pipe, intermediary pipe, and third cat $130 (Thanks Ricoswave!)
[X] OEM Rear Manifold $135 (Thanks eclipsercr2006)
[X] EGR dump tube $50.64 (Dealer Part 1582A192)
[X] EGR Gasket $5.95 (Dealer Part MD149764)
[X] Fajita CAI $60 (eBay)
[X] Victor Reinz Manifold Gaskets MS16280 $13.35 (eBay)
[X] Exhaust Flange Gasket Seal/Donut from Y pipe to J pipe, FelPro 61106 $13.99 (AutoZone)
[X] Manifolds to Y Pipe Gaskets, Victor Reinz 32138 $6.99 x 2 (AutoZone)
[X] Converter Gasket, from J pipe to 3rd Cat, FelPro 61451 $9.99 (AutoZone)

Suspension
[X] KYB Struts $309.25 for the set (eBay)

Mounting
[X] Stay Bar $3.89 (Dealer Part 1091A020)
[X] Stay Bar Mounting Bolt x2 (Dealer Part MU000743)
[X] Front Transaxle Mount $90.61 (Dealer Part MN101217)
[X] Trans mount brkt, Manual trans Left $35.47 (Dealer Part MR967005)
[X] Trans mount brkt, Manual trans Right $ 34.63 (Dealer Part 2910A014)
[X] Engine Front Mounting Bracket $163.98 (Dealer Part 1091A075)

Interior
[X] 6spd Shift lever Assembly used $79.12 Delivered (Dealer Part MN168267 http://www.weberbrothersauto.com)
[X] Shift control cables $138.12 (Dealer Part MN107656)

Maintenance and Non-Interchangeable Part from GS
[X] CV Axle Seal $7.37 (Dealer part# 2502A016)
[X] CV Axle Seal $7.37 (Dealer part# 2502A017)
[X] Timing belt/water pump kit $120.28 (Part # TS26287WP)
[X] Power Steering Belt Dayco 5040358 $11.95 (Summit Racing)
[X] P/S Idler Pulley GATES 36271 $47.59 (eBay)
[X] Alternator/AC Compressor Idler Pulley Dayco 89138 $31.95 (Summit Racing)
[X] A/C, Alternator Belt Dayco 5060470 $18.95 (Summit Racing)
[X] Heater Hose Inlet Dayco 87688 $17.95 (AutoZone)
[X] Heater Hose Outlet Dayco 87698 $10.95 (AutoZone)
[X] Power Steering Suction Hose, lower hose on reservoir $17.70 (dealer P/N MR589360)
[D] Power Steering High Pressure hose, From rack to pump - GS will work
[D] Brake Booster Hose, GS hose can be used, just use the part with check valve inside it. (GT part# MN113500)

Little Bits
[X] Manual Flywheel Bolts 8x $11.04 (Dealer Part 1120A015; Automatic Flywheels Bolts MD720036)
[X] Pressure Plate Bolts x6 $4.92 (Dealer Part MF241251)
[X] Transmission Mounting Bolts $7.98 (Dealer Part 4x 2500A012, and 2x MF140292)
[X] Hydraulic lines Master Cylinder, Hose, Tube To Slave Cyl, 3.8L $25.01 (Dealer Part# MN101580)
[X] Hydraulic Tube to Clutch Release Cylinder $11.18 (Dealer Part# 2348A016)
[D] Billet Oil Cap (Universal between GS/GT)
[X] Shift Cable Bracket Mounting Bolt 1x $1.73 (Dealer P/N 2501A070)
[X] Shift Cable Bracket Mounting Bolt 2x $1.73 (Dealer P/N 2460A054)
[X] Idler Pulley Bolts $1.98 (Dealer P/N MF434105)
[X] CV Intermediate Shaft Bearing Mounting Bolts 2x $2.26 (Dealer P/N MR111026)
[X] Alternator two lower mounting bolts $4.03 (10x75, 10x65)

Break Fix Parts (parts that I broke, or parts that just needed to be replaced during the swap)
[X] Front Passenger Wheel Hub $48.30 (Power Train Components P/N BR930413)
[X] Ball Joints MOOG K500068 2X $17.67 (eBay)

Total amount spent so far including shipping cost = $4861.65
Total amount recovered from GS Parts and unneeded parts so far = $2075.92
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Originally, the motor was $1245, but when I got there the exhaust manifolds where missing, so they knocked $150 off the price. No big deal as I planned on using Ripp Mods long tubes anyways. As far as the motor goes, it did not come with the starter, power steering pump, alternator/bracket, AC, broken MAP sensor. Some of these things will be donated from the 4g69.

I'm currently prospecting a transmission, plan to purchase within the next couple weeks.



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My 4g69 is running perfectly, aside from the grinding transmission that prompted me to do the swap.

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good luck with it man! If you accomplish this, alot of people will be happy...
Im not dissin you, but what was the motivation behind swapping the motor, i know you said transmission, but what prompted the motor swap? just good parts at great prices or?



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Shitz, my new engine cost me $4k !!!
How old / mileage on that engine??

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good luck with it man! If you accomplish this, alot of people will be happy...
Im not dissin you, but what was the motivation behind swapping the motor, i know you said transmission, but what prompted the motor swap? just good parts at great prices or?
It was just that combination just as you said it, I'm on my 2nd tranny and I was browsing for a replacement and got caught up looking at GT stuff and prices. Taxes are refunded, so I figured what the hell. I've done several motor swaps in the past for friends, and one for myself on my nissan documented here

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Shitz, my new engine cost me $4k !!!
How old / mileage on that engine??

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Motor vintage 2007 with 52k on it, came with a six month warranty. My GS motor has 92k on it, so right there I'm shedding 40k from my engine life.

One thing I learned from buying this motor is that you don't have to pay tax on it if a repair facility buys it from the recycling yard... at least in NY.
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^ thanks, mine was an 08 with 8k miles on it... Still a big spread... Good luck with the swap,
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It was just that combination just as you said it, I'm on my 2nd tranny and I was browsing for a replacement and got caught up looking at GT stuff and prices. Taxes are refunded, so I figured what the hell. I've done several motor swaps in the past for friends, and one for myself on my nissan documented here

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Motor vintage 2007 with 52k on it, came with a six month warranty. My GS motor has 92k on it, so right there I'm shedding 40k from my engine life.

One thing I learned from buying this motor is that you don't have to pay tax on it if a repair facility buys it from the recycling yard... at least in NY.
are you going with a six speed or a five speed hell while your at it help try to open the window for six cylinder awd!
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Nice, congrats on the purchase! Are you set on the 6 speed? Did you consider a 5 speed from a 3G? It has to be less expensive and probably stronger. I'd suggest an LSD while at it, you'll appreciate it.
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Hells yes I'm super excited to see you going through with this. Too bad you cant just nail the engine in and be done with it . Gonna be an interesting process for sure
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That would be cool, but definitely out of the budget

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Nice, congrats on the purchase! Are you set on the 6 speed? Did you consider a 5 speed from a 3G? It has to be less expensive and probably stronger. I'd suggest an LSD while at it, you'll appreciate it.
There's a sticky about transmission already detailing which is better, Slippercream's recommendation is the 4g 6spd manual over the 5spd g3 manual. Thanks for looking out though

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Transmission purchased today for $380, cost another $250 to ship from Canada has 13k miles on it, 1 year warranty.

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^^^^^ I wonder why the owner didn't keep it , all of that can be buffed out ...

I think it's badass that your swapping out the 4g69 for the 6g75. I'll be watching this closely as it would be a killer swap for the ralliart as well. Keep it up
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That would be cool, but definitely out of the budget



There's a sticky about transmission already detailing which is better, Slippercream's recommendation is the 4g 6spd manual over the 5spd g3 manual. Thanks for looking out though

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I wasn't thinking gear ratios, I was thinking more along the line why EVO owners swap from the 6 speed to the 5 speed. It sure will be fun with the 6 however

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Im giving you my criticism now. STUPID do a 4g63 swap instead.

However I do think its amazing that you're going through with it and the prices you're getting are killer.

I do believe a 5 speed 3g tranny would be more logical. Mitsu 6 speeds have horrible quality issues. Like previously mentioned the Evo MR 6 speed blows same with our 6sp. 5 speed has more liquid in the transfer case and holds up better.
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Im giving you my criticism now. STUPID do a 4g63 swap instead.
4g63 just isn't in the budget, you got to figure intercooler, turbo upgrade, the custom work.. ugh.. the wiring alone is a crap shoot alone.... Just can't swing it bro.
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Im giving you my criticism now. STUPID do a 4g63 swap instead.

However I do think its amazing that you're going through with it and the prices you're getting are killer.

I do believe a 5 speed 3g tranny would be more logical. Mitsu 6 speeds have horrible quality issues. Like previously mentioned the Evo MR 6 speed blows same with our 6sp. 5 speed has more liquid in the transfer case and holds up better.
Seriously? you sir are a dumb ass. The 6g75 is a better motor than the 4g63. And I've had zero problems with my 6 speed. Other than the shit stock clutch it's been nothing short of perfect.
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^^^ Thanks guys ^^^

When my bank roll hits may account next friday, I'll be focusing on what I need to get the motor into the car. I'm feeling getting the motor in is going to be the easiest part.. get it running.. not so easy.

Next on my list is Fidanza aluminum flywheel, flywheel bolts, transaxle mount, stay bracket, and cv axles.

Paycheck after that will go towards CM clutch kit, timing belt, tensioner, water pump, KYB struts... at that point, I'll be reviewing my situation and plan to mount the engine/tranny into the car... so we're looking at about five weeks out.
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Keep up the good workman. Itll be nice to have a write up showing how to do this with pictures instead of the common answer "go trade in for a gt" im sure this will be a hell of an experience to do.
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4g63 just isn't in the budget, you got to figure intercooler, turbo upgrade, the custom work.. ugh.. the wiring alone is a crap shoot alone.... Just can't swing it bro.
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I'm going to start listing prices/places for the parts I still need to buy in the first post, if anyone knows of a better deal elsewhere, please help me out, PM me and give me the heads up.

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Im giving you my criticism now. STUPID do a 4g63 swap instead.

However I do think its amazing that you're going through with it and the prices you're getting are killer.

I do believe a 5 speed 3g tranny would be more logical. Mitsu 6 speeds have horrible quality issues. Like previously mentioned the Evo MR 6 speed blows same with our 6sp. 5 speed has more liquid in the transfer case and holds up better.
Getrag 6 speed from the GT; and MR 6 speed are two different beasts and can not be compared. The MR 6 speed is a weak gear box so far the getrag has not proven to be so.

As far as to 63 and 75 arguments those are opinions based on no facts; are off topic and should be taken to another thread this one does not need to be cluttered.

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Mad props hoping all goes well will be a super interesting read see how everything works out for u n the cost of it
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that whole swap will cost u way less than boosting the 4g69 now u got me thinkin dammit
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Ok, now for the $64,000 question. When does your 4G69 sale thread get posted?
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.. as of right now. i dont get it. but lets see what you come up with.
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As soon as I'm turn key with the swap, the old motor goes on the chopping block.
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