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Old May 26th, 2020, 11:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Engine crank but no start ...

07 eclipse gs got 76,700 mile replace timing belt couple hrs ago .. I start the car up and run it for about a block suddenly the engine cut off .. there good crank it just wonít start ..I need help ASAP .. thank in advance and sorry if it cost trouble ...thanks again
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Old May 27th, 2020, 08:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Well. Sounds like you need to check your timing. If the tensioners weren't set right, it may have slipped. It's also possible the crank position sensor isn't properly plugged in.
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Well. Sounds like you need to check your timing. If the tensioners weren't set right, it may have slipped. It's also possible the crank position sensor isn't properly plugged in.
It there any videos or place to show how to check or fix it yourself....also is it bad if the spark coil have oil around them .. i check the coil and it had oil around them...
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Yes, that's significant as well.


To check your timing marks, you need to rotate the engine so the timing mark on the crankshaft pulley lines up with the timing mark on the lower timing cover (passenger side) of the engine. You'll probably want to jack the car up in the air for this and remove the passenger side front wheel.

Then, you pull the upper timing cover, and check to see if it's sitting at the timing mark on the valve cover.

Wrong timing will cause the acute issue you have, and seeing as your timing was worked on just a few hours before, it's a huge indicator.



Oil getting past the valve cover and onto your ignition coils isn't something that happens instantly, but it can absolutely ruin your coilpacks and spark plugs. To fix that, you'll need to pull the valve cover, remove the old gasket, remove the spark plug tube seals, and apply the new parts. They come together as a kit. You'll also want new coilpacks and new spark plugs, however they may still function if cleaned off with brake clean/carb clean, and they haven't burned. This won't be an acute issue, but can cause difficulty in startup, misfires, and lead to eventual failure to start
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Old May 27th, 2020, 02:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yes, that's significant as well.


To check your timing marks, you need to rotate the engine so the timing mark on the crankshaft pulley lines up with the timing mark on the lower timing cover (passenger side) of the engine. You'll probably want to jack the car up in the air for this and remove the passenger side front wheel.

Then, you pull the upper timing cover, and check to see if it's sitting at the timing mark on the valve cover.

Wrong timing will cause the acute issue you have, and seeing as your timing was worked on just a few hours before, it's a huge indicator.



Oil getting past the valve cover and onto your ignition coils isn't something that happens instantly, but it can absolutely ruin your coilpacks and spark plugs. To fix that, you'll need to pull the valve cover, remove the old gasket, remove the spark plug tube seals, and apply the new parts. They come together as a kit. You'll also want new coilpacks and new spark plugs, however they may still function if cleaned off with brake clean/carb clean, and they haven't burned. This won't be an acute issue, but can cause difficulty in startup, misfires, and lead to eventual failure to start
Thank for your help ..

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Old May 27th, 2020, 10:15 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Update I take it apart tonight the timing belt it broke lucky nothing serious.. also I don’t get it just got change couple year ago. Should happen like that ... thank you sabertooth..
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Update I take it apart tonight the timing belt it broke lucky nothing serious.. also I don’t get it just got change couple year ago. Should happen like that ... thank you sabertooth..
That is serious
As serious as it gets
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Update I take it apart tonight the timing belt it broke lucky nothing serious.. also I don’t get it just got change couple year ago. Should happen like that ... thank you sabertooth..
"replace timing belt couple hrs ago" made me think you replaced the timing belt a couple hours ago. Not years, lol. Typos matter there xD


And like Kyle said, it's serious. It's the most serious thing that could have gone wrong for your engine. It's an interference motor. Meaning, the valves move away as the piston comes up. Without the timing belt, the valves don't move as the piston rises, and they can't occupy the same space at once. So, the pistons and valves collide, and neither is happy. Cracked pistons are a possibility, as are bent valves, damaged cams, damaged everything in the head basically.

If it happened at idle, you may be safe. But the higher the RPM, the higher the speeds and forces, so the chance of survival drops significantly. I bet it does crank VERY strongly right now. There's likely no compression on most, if not all of the cylinders. A poor quality belt, or a poor quality change can cause it to die faster. Or, a really lazy one, people sometimes change timing belt without changing the balance shaft belt. Both MUST be changed, as a failed balance shaft belt will only take a few engine rotations to take out the timing belt
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"replace timing belt couple hrs ago" made me think you replaced the timing belt a couple hours ago. Not years, lol. Typos matter there xD


And like Kyle said, it's serious. It's the most serious thing that could have gone wrong for your engine. It's an interference motor. Meaning, the valves move away as the piston comes up. Without the timing belt, the valves don't move as the piston rises, and they can't occupy the same space at once. So, the pistons and valves collide, and neither is happy. Cracked pistons are a possibility, as are bent valves, damaged cams, damaged everything in the head basically.

If it happened at idle, you may be safe. But the higher the RPM, the higher the speeds and forces, so the chance of survival drops significantly. I bet it does crank VERY strongly right now. There's likely no compression on most, if not all of the cylinders. A poor quality belt, or a poor quality change can cause it to die faster. Or, a really lazy one, people sometimes change timing belt without changing the balance shaft belt. Both MUST be changed, as a failed balance shaft belt will only take a few engine rotations to take out the timing belt
I got it changes couple year ago .. this time the belt broke on low rpm so hope there nothing serious about it I inspected everything closely before I put it back ... hope everything going good for me so I donít have to do more work on it
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"replace timing belt couple hrs ago" made me think you replaced the timing belt a couple hours ago. Not years, lol. Typos matter there xD


And like Kyle said, it's serious. It's the most serious thing that could have gone wrong for your engine. It's an interference motor. Meaning, the valves move away as the piston comes up. Without the timing belt, the valves don't move as the piston rises, and they can't occupy the same space at once. So, the pistons and valves collide, and neither is happy. Cracked pistons are a possibility, as are bent valves, damaged cams, damaged everything in the head basically.

If it happened at idle, you may be safe. But the higher the RPM, the higher the speeds and forces, so the chance of survival drops significantly. I bet it does crank VERY strongly right now. There's likely no compression on most, if not all of the cylinders. A poor quality belt, or a poor quality change can cause it to die faster. Or, a really lazy one, people sometimes change timing belt without changing the balance shaft belt. Both MUST be changed, as a failed balance shaft belt will only take a few engine rotations to take out the timing belt
I got it changes couple year ago .. this time the belt broke on low rpm so hope there nothing serious about it I inspected everything closely before I put it back ... hope everything going good for me so I don’t have to do more work on it
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We wish you and your engine luck
I need help if u can that be nice I’ll really appreciate.. i install the timing belt back and check for all gear aligned but I noticed that the upper camshaft gear it not in place .. what it the best way to realign the gear with out open up the engine head .. if my luck run out what is the possible way for me at this point .. also any one have the torque spec and patient for the camshafts clap ....also do I have to change the head gascate at all ... I’m not good in spelling so pls bare with me thank you .. help cuz I need to get this baby on the road as fast as I can .....

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I need help if u can that be nice I’ll really appreciate.. i install the timing belt back and check for all gear aligned but I noticed that the upper camshaft gear it not in place .. what it the best way to realign the gear with out open up the engine head .. if my luck run out what is the possible way for me at this point .. also any one have the torque spec and patient for the camshafts clap ....also do I have to change the head gascate at all ... I’m not good in spelling so pls bare with me thank you .. help cuz I need to get this baby on the road as fast as I can .....
Tear stone has the full FSM

Here’s the part about timing belt installation, should have the torque specs
https://tearstone.com/eclipsefsm/200...11A.pdf#page50
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Tear stone has the full FSM

Hereís the part about timing belt installation, should have the torque specs
https://tearstone.com/eclipsefsm/200...11A.pdf#page50
Rite now the upper camshafts sprocket is off of the timing mark wat is the best way to realigned that ....
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Here’s the part about timing belt installation, should have the torque specs
https://tearstone.com/eclipsefsm/200...11A.pdf#page50
Rite now the upper camshafts sprocket is off of the timing mark wat is the best way to realigned that ....
Your valves are probably fucked and that’s why they don’t move
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Your valves are probably fucked and thatís why they donít move
When I put in the timing belt and rotated the camshafts on the bottom it move everything and all gear align accept the upper camshafts sprocket that not align off the timing mark ...
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