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Old April 13th, 2012, 11:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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It's obviously not news that we're delivering reflashes via software. You buy at $169 tactrix or borrow one from a friend and use a windows laptop to reflash your vehicle.

Some people have expressed concerns about spending the $169 for the cable. Others have pointed out that they have only a Mac laptop.

I've always been hesitant to go for a fully standalone reflash unit that requires no laptop or tactrix because I felt it was too expensive. $350ish on top of the cost of the flash.

In the past we've done mail-in reflashes and although that can be an option for guys within Canada it's a pain to ship over the border. I could setup one of our USA dealers with a bench flash cable so you could do mail-in there.

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Old April 13th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Good question.

I am not an expert on reflashing. So for the cheaper solution is this the Mitsu cable plus OpenPort 2.0 that you are discussing?

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Do you still need the OBD2 extension cable and then something to connect to laptop?
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Not till this winter but will deff be interested thx for all your hard work and will deff try this route when the cars parked...
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The cable is going to be easier, not a lot of people are gonna be able to have their car down long enough to mail in their ecu.
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cable or handheld. at least this way a guy can do it whenever there's some free time, rather than having the car down for a week or 2 waiting for the mailman...
a handheld that would allow to load / store custom tunes on top of the "generic" tune would be awesome
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Good question.

I am not an expert on reflashing. So for the cheaper solution is this the Mitsu cable plus OpenPort 2.0 that you are discussing?

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Do you still need the OBD2 extension cable and then something to connect to laptop?
You need the Tactrix OpenPort 2.0 cable AND the mitsubishi reflash adapter to read/write the ECU. you don't need the adapter you posted a link for if your OBD2 port has already been modified. Mine is only modified because hackish did my ECU in person last winter.

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cable or handheld. at least this way a guy can do it whenever there's some free time, rather than having the car down for a week or 2 waiting for the mailman...
a handheld that would allow to load / store custom tunes on top of the "generic" tune would be awesome
Handheld would be great, but for the cost of one, you could buy a small netbook computer, and a tactrix cable...so if you already have a windows laptop, the cable would be cheaper and easier, but even for a macbook user, the windows netbook would still be a viable option, cause at least then it's still useful for things other than JUST tuning your car. Besides, most guys i go to the track with have a cable permanently connected and the laptop goes with the car anywhere, because they are datalogging EVERYTHING, which is ideal for tweaking your base tune...would a handheld have limited memory for datalogging?
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Everyone wants full control! Do the full flash with the option to mail in with you as the Canada flashes and Brian as the US flasher. At the same time people who have or buy a tactrix you can sell them tunes as well. I think most people want full control but I wouldn't limit your options so you can pull in more customers.
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Maybe rent out a cable? If u could drop most of that $170 expense for a cable that might not get used again you might sell more too. Have the buyer put down a deposit for the full price and if not timely returned, they bought it.
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How much are the reflashes via software and were to a get a tactrix cable?
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Maybe rent out a cable? If u could drop most of that $170 expense for a cable that might not get used again you might sell more too. Have the buyer put down a deposit for the full price and if not timely returned, they bought it.
If you get the cable and the software aside from tuning, you can use it for datalogging, as well as reading and clearing DTC's so you'd use it as often as a code scanner at the very minimum...i datalog all the time.

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Tactrix Openport 2.0

not sure on pricing, but i discuss that with Mike or Brent personally.
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Maybe rent out a cable? If u could drop most of that $170 expense for a cable that might not get used again you might sell more too. Have the buyer put down a deposit for the full price and if not timely returned, they bought it.
Probably the easiest way for people to get generic flashes done on the fly. Then if they're happy and decide to pursue further, they can go the full route.

This is why the Apple iPhone sold so well. A device that did half the stuff other smart phones (Windows Mobile, Symbian, Black Berry OS, etc) could do but everything seemed so easy and at a push of a button.
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Thanks for the input. I'll take up some of the ideas with the dealers and with these ideas all the little details can be worked out.

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i know i wont have a prob with shipping I live in Canada so sending my ECU would be better for me
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understandable...but if the main reason he is having trouble getting his oriduct out is cause of border issues well im going to do the easy route and just send him the ECU
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It is honestly far better to just buy a tactrix cable and flash it yourself. This way if you need to datalog, check codes or even get updates they're all a click away. If you're only in Woodstock I could probably do it in person next time I'm in TO tuning.

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/\ Indeed very easy the way it is set up now I would personally leave it as is and also have the option for those that want full control as well
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any chance you can hack it into a Dashdaq similar to Spartan tunes?
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It is honestly far better to just buy a tactrix cable and flash it yourself. This way if you need to datalog, check codes or even get updates they're all a click away. If you're only in Woodstock I could probably do it in person next time I'm in TO tuning.

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Yes it would be possible but I simply do not have enough time to do it

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I'm completely stoked just at the idea of having a flash available without hitting up the local dyno, however, that'd probably be better.... I know that the rev limit can be raised. What about MIVEC? Governor removal? Any way for it to support larger injectors? I'm not very knowledgeable on the limits of a flash tune. But hell, just for governor removal, a basic octane tune for headers, and rev limit I'd be more than willing to pay for it.
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I'm completely stoked just at the idea of having a flash available without hitting up the local dyno, however, that'd probably be better.... I know that the rev limit can be raised. What about MIVEC? Governor removal? Any way for it to support larger injectors? I'm not very knowledgeable on the limits of a flash tune. But hell, just for governor removal, a basic octane tune for headers, and rev limit I'd be more than willing to pay for it.
It's all been done and dyno tested with a number of years of street driving for reliability. I can remove the governor and torque limiters. I can support larger injectors, larger MAF, rev limits. There are thousands of settings I can change from basic idle speeds to knock settings and EGR feedback. I've even got a few automatic transmission settings in testing.

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It's all been done and dyno tested with a number of years of street driving for reliability. I can remove the governor and torque limiters. I can support larger injectors, larger MAF, rev limits. There are thousands of settings I can change from basic idle speeds to knock settings and EGR feedback. I've even got a few automatic transmission settings in testing.

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Torque converter lockup is controlled by the TCU code but it would require a lot of R&D before I'd be willing to release it as a tested setting. With things like that I'd have to make sure there isn't a significant chance of damaging the torque converter if I turn on the lockup when the slip RPM is still high.

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Torque converter lockup is controlled by the TCU code but it would require a lot of R&D before I'd be willing to release it as a tested setting. With things like that I'd have to make sure there isn't a significant chance of damaging the torque converter if I turn on the lockup when the slip RPM is still high.

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So with this software+"training" package, I could run low boost, and self tune and what not? That would be awesome... How about eliminating the CEL if I ever go the boost route? tricking it into thinking all is well? By the way, as soon as I start my build, this is on the list at the top! I have always wanted to learn how to self tune as well, and haven't had anyone to get me started with the basics... Kills me when I'm rolling with Cobalt guys and they're playing around to get it PERFECT... Anyways... Oooh that'll be nice for the automatic guys for sure... They're already faster on the drag strip it seems. My big thing is hitting sixty in second with increased rev limit, and not missing out on the top end when I install the headers... Really looking forward to this. Probably won't be till winter though. Sorry for pretty much writing a book, excitement is pouring out right now... I've had too much time to ponder ideas in the sandbox
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After seeing a relfash in person today.....im convinced and getting the reflash....Hey mike i need your email to get started with this reflash.

Nice... wait... so the power in your sig was WITHOUT a tune? or with FIC?
And does anyone have a video of a car running with the flash? I'd love to see one run up to 7k in second... hell, I'd love to HEAR one run to 7k.
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Nice... wait... so the power in your sig was WITHOUT a tune? or with FIC?
And does anyone have a video of a car running with the flash? I'd love to see one run up to 7k in second... hell, I'd love to HEAR one run to 7k.
yep...i dynoed at 273whp.

well i seen it in person and the proof that it goes past 140mph....actually more like 150mph now with the reflash. Guy who i meet today had his go to 240km/h before he let off and that was at 6500rpms with plenty to go. Its screams at 7 but not that far off from what the stock gives you and yes it hots 7200 no problem.

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Michael, how often are you in Toronto? I've got the fic with Brians harness installed right now. Is it more beneficial to run the reflash? How easy is it to tune? I know that right now I wouldn't touch a single digit in my tune because I have no clue what to do. I'd also like anyone's opinion on this, would anyone here who has the fic switch to the reflash and why or why not?

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from what i understand...you dont do nothing except downlaod the updates that he has all you do is sit there and do nothing.
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Now I'm really getting interested in this too.
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So is each flash defined specifically to each persons vehicle? Or is it just a universal flash that tunes all 4gs the same way?

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Is there a how to for this ? I'm very interested in doing this too.
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So is each flash defined specifically to each persons vehicle? Or is it just a universal flash that tunes all 4gs the same way?

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One of the many reasons this has been in R&D so long is that I've tuned over a dozen NA eclipses with different sets of mods. This is not a universal tune - I've done a number of different mod sets to ensure you get a tune that matches what you have. All of the tunes are also heavily tested as I'm not interested in putting users' engines at risk. If you don't have experience and time in tuning Eclipses there is a good chance you could damage the engine. They're not a honda where you add 2 degrees of timing and remove some fuel! In fact you take timing out to make power on these things!

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