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Old March 30th, 2020, 10:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How to: Evo 8/9 brakes install

I just finished up a quick guide on upgrading brakes to Evo 8/9 rotors and calipers, as well as some quick info on choosing pads/rotors

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Old March 31st, 2020, 12:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I guess those aint for me...
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Nope. But it's good to be honest with yourself. Not all mods that improve performance will improve performance in the areas you need it.
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Will i benefit from a LSD?
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Yep. Even a stock GS will see launch gains from that. Handling wise, not so much, as they can cause understeer in sharp corners at speed (but the recovery is better with an LSD)


The manual trans will see disproportionately high gains, as you can launch at a higher RPM. This leads to quite a reduction in 60' times. The auto is limited by torque converter lockup RPM (but a torque converter also makes for a smoother launch with less shock to the tires. Auto will see gains when they spin 1 wheel on a launch.

At higher power as well, an LSD is needed. I can feel my dif switching from left to right, which wheel is gonna get more power. It causes quite a terrible osculating torque steer. If I weren't planning to go AWD, I'd definitely go with an LSD even at 12psi boost.



I've driven a GT with the Wavetrac LSD, and it was VERY nice, and put down power nothing like the open dif. It turns it into a whole other car (Plain Jane's on here, bolt on and tuned, GT)
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Wavetrac made an LSD for the GT?? I was under the assumption that they made LSDs for the GS only and I have a Quaife LSD which one is better Wavetrac or Quaife ???
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Wavetrac made them for every Eclipse trans ever. But in fairness, it may have been a Quaife.

I dont know much about the Quaife LSD
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Wavetrac quit making them for the 5 speed, I've talked to them and more more unless they get a huge order for them
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The ones for the 3g Eclipse GT manual fit the Eclipse GS 5 speed manual as well, according to stuff I read on the Lancer forums. And even Walmart sells them
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The ones for the 3g Eclipse GT manual fit the Eclipse GS 5 speed manual as well, according to stuff I read on the Lancer forums. And even Walmart sells them
Yep they do fix. Yes they show them in stock, once you purchase it they cancel the order and say out of stock.
Next day it's back on their website.

I spent 4 grand trying to get one from different websites, every time I was refunded.
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That leaves you a couple options. Either buy enough for them to do a production run and sell them yourself, or do a group buy


This winter I'm getting myself some coilovers finally. I'm gonna get together as many people as want to buy BC Racing coilovers, and whatever else I'll probably be buying myself and selling over time. I'd probably get them made for Audi B6/B7 chassis cars as they're a better sell. Not many people here buy coilovers, plus I'll be broadcasting the group buy anyway when the time comes, so the demand here will be exhausted anyway
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I found this. They said their LSD for GT fits my GS. Should I go for it?
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You could try it. While you're at it, you may as well do a new clutch, as at your power level, you'll probably be beating on the clutch pretty hard to see much gain
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You could try it. While you're at it, you may as well do a new clutch, as at your power level, you'll probably be beating on the clutch pretty hard to see much gain
At my power level... damn that makes me feel magnificent. Lol! I was thinking ACT stage 2 unless you have a better brand in mind?
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Go with a ActionClutch Stage 3 that’s what I have right now and I’m in the process of putting it on there along with a Quaife LSD
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You could try it. While you're at it, you may as well do a new clutch, as at your power level, you'll probably be beating on the clutch pretty hard to see much gain
At my power level... damn that makes me feel magnificent. Lol! I was thinking ACT stage 2 unless you have a better brand in mind?
I have ACT stage 2 on my WRX and it’s pretty nice, holding ~300 AWD WHP, it’s a little annoying to get starting from a dead stop sometimes especially up a hill but not terrible compared to a V8
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I have a Southbend in my daily rated to hold 450tq at the wheels or higher (AWD) and it drives smoother than the factory clutch, even with a lighter flywheel and single mass conversion.

There's no reason a 300hp clutch should be rough to engage. I have a clutch masters on my Eclipse that gets finicky when hot (stage 3.5), but cold once broken in, feels similar to stock, just slightly harder to push. I'm going Southbend next on my Eclipse (they make a 4 puck rated for 700 wheel torque. It's gonna be awful to drive)
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Nice! I like smother gearing so maybe Southbend depending on the price. How much should it cost to have someone install an LSD into our cars?
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~comes back looking pale~ 800+$ for a stage 2 clutch. South Bend gets you bent... LMAO!!!
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I’d just go with an ACT
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I wouldn't worry about their prices so much, they're one of my suppliers.

But even so, I spent $450 on my Clutch masters back in the day on sale. And after driving shitty cheap clutches in other peoples cars, I wouldn't ever go down that route. You use the clutch hundreds of times per drive, and it's what connects your engine to the trans. It sees 100% of the engine's abuse, so it seems worth not cheaping out on to me
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I like blowing money on this thing anyway. 😂🤣 it just means i need more time to save the cash. But stage 2 South Bend will be. I just stumbled into a thread...

Does anyone know if a EVO X Throttle body will work with a GT? the plug itself looks the same.

I was wanting to buy there After Market 75mm TB and port the plenum and use a 3.5 to a 3" stacked intake. and....yes It will be tuned if all this goes down ....before someone slaps me with a "oh youre going to lose hp or this is a waste of time"

🤔 would I benefit from this?
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It SHOULD work, just you'll need an intake manifold that supports it, and tuning.


You'll see losses in air velocity from that size throttle body though, and that results in lower power. It's commonly known in the 4G63 power world that a bigger throttle body does NOT always result in higher power. Otherwise, everyone would run the biggest they could afford/fit. But, they don't. 75mm throttle bodies are good for the 1000hp crowd. Lots of guys make 500hp on the stock throttle bodies without issue.
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It SHOULD work, just you'll need an intake manifold that supports it, and tuning.


You'll see losses in air velocity from that size throttle body though, and that results in lower power. It's commonly known in the 4G63 power world that a bigger throttle body does NOT always result in higher power. Otherwise, everyone would run the biggest they could afford/fit. But, they don't. 75mm throttle bodies are good for the 1000hp crowd. Lots of guys make 500hp on the stock throttle bodies without issue.
Understood. I just got home from delivering the outmost underlined essentials to aid our crisis. 15,000lbs of K&N oil filters from Riverside, CA to Grandprairie, TX. 😂🤣 i'll order the Tactrix cable tomorrow and hopefully i'll be tuning my car by the end of the month. Who should I contact when im ready?
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Alex K. Typically he does it through Facebook, I can get you a different method if needed
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I successfully got the Quaife in but the Stage 3 clutch from ActionClutch doesn’t fit at all, only the actual clutch does but they send me an old style hydraulic slave cylinder and the pressure plate doesn’t match up AT ALL. I’ll post pictures
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I'll let you know, James. Im not sure if it's because of the situation we're all in but my tactrix cable hasnt shipped despite paying for fedex shipping. 😑

Jayson, you said you got the quaif in... the lsd goes inside the transmission?

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It could be. You could call Tactrix and see
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Now is a time I wouldn’t be buying things online just for that reason, don’t know when it’ll come especially if you’re paying for shipping, don’t know if it’s infected and you have to clean it off, plus USPS always sends my stuff to the neighbors house half the time and I have to go down to the post office and have them verify everything and go get it and yadda yadda big hassle
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I had an issue ordering from Crower (NOT Brian Crower). The order went in and was paid for, then about a week later they asked for the full payment, as the currency conversion rate changed (paid in CAD) and the price went up. So that was awful. Then the order was supposed to ship right after... 3 weeks later, and I find out they still haven't even MADE the cam yet.

I let the customer know, and gave him a refund at his request... They strung us along for weeks thinking it was being made and sent. That ruined a followup order of valves, and valve springs, as well as fucked the customer over out of a month of time he could have had his engine build happening.

This was in February and March.... Definitely my worst experience ordering anything ever.


That being said, other stuff, such as a set of fuel injectors (fuel injector development) has had no issue. So it's down to the individual company, not online orders as a whole. I just had to vent a bit, because of how bad an experience I had. I won't be ordering anything personally from Crower, and won't be suggesting any of their parts to anyone. If someone wanted to order some ever, I'm gonna let them know it may take months for them to do anything with the order.
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I ordered from STM Tuned Inc. I e-mailed them today to see what's up by monday. I understand what you mean, Kyle. I dnt normally order stuff unless i need it and i been putting my car tune aside for too long. I just decided to get to this one month or two too late...

Any idea why my battery is being drained? I came to a stop at a light twice and the battery light flashed for a second or two then it would disappear. Before that the car wouldnt start, my HUD indicated 8.0 volts on the batt. All the electronics were going mucho loco. Cranked it and the usual sound when terminal are lose or are going out visited me. An electric clap. Unplugged terminals, checked batt fuses, all ok. Hooked the batt bk up and it started like a dream. When it started volts were up to 14. So why the light? Was the battery charging while driving it? On my way bk home after paying tags it didnt do it again. Battery charged? But why would it drain in the first place? Loose terminals do this?
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Check the bolt on the back of the alternator that feeds the battery, and the plug to the alternator. If either backs off, it'll only charge intermittently
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Both look good. Last year my lights dimmed while driving at night from Fort Stockton to San Antonio. That kind of gave me a hint that the alt could be going bad but it mostly got traced to loose clamps that hook to the batt.
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Which evo has the better brakes
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Evo 8/9 are identical. Evo 10 are what I have some regrets not having done, and will in the future if I ever run out on these ones. 1mm thicker, 20mm more diameter front and rear. I'm not sure if they go on so nicely, but it's worth a shot. Rumor is, they don't. But I wouldn't mind making them work, like I have so many other things
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