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TL;DR- This post is for someone who is really trying to decide if they want to get a Tune from him or not. Also just sharing my experience, but I tend to talk a lot so strap in.

To start off this post, I got a very well-paying job as an IT support specialist, which is why I have been able to do everything that I've been doing.. i.e buying the second Eclipse, exterior mods, etc. Since I have a little more money than I used to, I messaged Stayer on the forums saying I'd like to get a tune on the 22nd because this Eclipse is my daily driver and I can't send the ECU halfway across the country to Hackish. I was waiting for the Tactrix cable (which is for sale by me right now for $100, send a PM) to come in, which was scheduled for delivery on the 22nd. So, it came in, and I messaged Stayer letting him know I was ready when he was. He gave me his Whatsapp, and I proceeded to talk to him about the whole process. I understand that it isn't his fault, but even with the translator he uses it is very hard to understand what he means at times. Keep in mind, a person that doesn't speak English and that you are messaging across the world, is tuning your car right now. And is asking how you'd like it tuned. Let that sink in for a second..
He told me we could do it today (Friday, 22nd), or, on Monday since he worked on weekends. I said I'd like to do it ASAP, so of course I picked Friday. He said "good". Waited out the whole day, and no response from Stayer. I was concerned, so I messaged him a few times, all messages that delivered successfully and he read, andddd nothing. I felt stupid for messaging him in the first place, so I just left it alone thinking he'd probably never message me again. There's just something about getting left on read 3 times that puts you in that mindset. Fast forward to the following day, I get a message from him around mid-day saying we can do the tune today, so I just thought "well, that makes no sense, but f*ck it" and grabbed my laptop and the cable and got in my car.
I tell him my teamviewer login, and he successfully connects to my computer. I turn the ignition HALFWAY on, and I needed it fully on, which means he couldn't download my ECU file onto his PC. He seemed to have gotten frustrated and disconnected from my laptop and stopped responding to me for about 20 minutes while I was sitting in my freezing car waiting for a text. I apologized to him several times and he texted me back saying let's do it again. This time, with the ignition fully on, he was able to download my ECU. Right after this process, he disconnected from my PC and left me hanging wondering what was happening for about 15 minutes, then he finally got back to me. He asked me what my mods are etc, so I exchanged information with him for a bit, and surprisingly, he wanted to reconnect again after about 30 minutes, and this time ECUFlash (The program he uses to reflash your ECU) says its 'downloading' something to my car. So I think to myself "is the tune already done?" and "Why did it only take 45 minutes in total?" but, once again, I thought "f*ck it" and he messaged me saying "take a test drive" so I did. I got back from the drive, and I told him everything that I thought had improved (which turned out to be placebo from the excitement that I "got a tune" on my car), and he didn't respond to me. I messaged him asking "wait, is the tune done?" and again, no response. I thought this was a test drive, to which you return and retune the car. I take the car out once more, and realize the car is actually slower than it was about 2 hours ago.
In manual mode, if I floored it in first, my tires would screech for a second and my car would TAKE OFF (in my opinion). After the tune, in first gear, the tires would not screech, and it slowly made it's way through first gear, then slowly into second...third. It felt slow as f*ck, and I drove back home disappointed thinking to myself that I just paid a guy in Russia that I don't know and can't understand $300 to make my car slower. I message him again asking if the tune was done, which he read and didn't reply to. Come next day, I message him again because I feel like I was scammed, and I ask him why he isn't answering any of my messages. He responds. He said something along the lines of "I didn't get any messages from you" but it said he read them and I don't think whatsapp lied. I ended up having a conversation with him about how the car didn't feel fast anymore, let alone 'faster'. He downloaded another tune to my car on Sunday, which also didn't make any sense, simply because he said he wasn't available was the weekend, yet I just got my car tuned on the weekend by him.
Of course, it felt faster after. It felt like the ECU was put back to stock to be honest, but I was glad to have a little bit of kick back into the car. I thanked Stayer, and he eventually told me it's because my transmission is bad, and that the tune he downloaded the first time was one second faster than the current one, but because the friction discs in my transmission were "bad", so he couldn't give me the best tune because my car wouldn't be able to handle that much speed. I was in a very weird spot and just ended up telling him that it felt faster to save some of my time.


All in all, I felt no difference. Sorry.


I'm starting to lose faith in Eclipses. I started out with so much. Nobody makes performance parts for it anymore, and they are completely losing their value year by year. Mitsubishi made a fucking SUV crossover instead of doing what they should have by making a performance car. This car is shunned in every community but this one. These cars barely have any horsepower stock and only some of the most dedicated people I've ever seen have been able to turbo this thing. I think of people who have supercharged or turbo'd eclipses to be legends. I will never get there, especially with this engine that is nearly impossible to modify.
 

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The manual GS aftermarket is growing, and soon turbo builds will be nearly bolt on jobs. GT... Not much interest. GT owners typically find the bolt on power to be enough, and very few are willing to go the turbo or supercharged route. Plus the GS is easier to boost, and more common. So expect to see them outrunning GTs regularly in the future.

As for mailing your ECU, Michael does it over email and gives you his own custom written tuning software. No need to mail to use Fastworks. He also does multiple tunes for you, not just one.
 

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If I choose to dump more money into the eclipse via tune, I will definitely go through Michael. I wish I still had my manual eclipse. Owning that car for as long as I did was the funnest time I've had driving a car.
 

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Hey everyone,
and this time ECUFlash (The program he uses to reflash your ECU) says its 'downloading' something to my car. So I think to myself "is the tune already done?"
So he used ECUFlash and it didn't lock up the ECU? People said on here on posts years ago that you couldn't use ECUFlash on our cars... that's why I paid Hackish for Fastworks

I would try it again, but nobody has ECUFlash definitions freely available for our car, so even if you can read the ECU with it, you can't make changes without the right definition file, which ECUFlash only comes with 07 GS Auto I think and a 06 GS definition files, oh well
 

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I also had a pretty difficult tuning situation with Hackish last year, at first I paid him the $350 and the initial install failed and my account was messed up and the car was like "half flashed?" then I couldn't even get the base flash installed, then Hackish fixed it and I told him my mods and he sent me a tune that made my car not even shift properly, he said it was accidental made with some tune file that he was testing for launch control on automatics...? Then he finally sent me a tune that was supposed to be for my mods, and since the car like half-flashed initially, my original factory tune was like pretty much lost forever or something, but this new tune did seem fast-ish and my car at least ran and shifted properly, more importantly the tune allowed me to get rid of the missing cat codes, so yeah, I felt pretty cheated paying $350 for a tune that honestly didn't even feel all that much faster for the money and got all messed up initially as well

Compare that to what is over on the Subie forums and there's hella amounts of ECU firmware files, different factory revisions, ECUFlash definitions, ROM Raider definitions, launch control patches, disabling just about any OBD code, disabling emissions checks, forcing e-check readiness monitors to Good status, and freely available stage 2 and stage 1 tunes either freely floating around on ECUFlash forums, OSECUROM forums, ROM Raider forums, or NASIOC, or cheaply for like $59 from XPT Tuning even if you want a pro street tune/ready to run Cobb-like tune, some even with 3 port boost control solenoid support, that do tons more power wise to your WRX or other boosted Subaru, as well as functionality wise than I feel like any of these Eclipse tunes are able to do.... especially for the prices....

I still think about what I paid for the Eclipse tune compared to what I was able to do for free with a Stage 2 OSECUROM forums free tune for my '02 WRX and a few more functionality mods I was able to apply with ROM Raider and ECUFlash to disable rear O2 sensor codes, EGT Sensor codes, TGV sensor codes, TGV and emissions cycle checks, and force the E-Check readiness monitors to always appear green/good on an E-Check through the OBD port, plus more
 

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I just know first hand that the tuning situation on these cars is a very sad power/functionality ratio compared to what is available for any other platform... I know the Subaru ECU flashing scene is much better off from personal experience

And I know the Mitsu Evo tuning situations are also one of the best aftermarket ECU reflashing as well

I’d assume even the old DSMLink tuning, Cobalt SS, Neon SRT4, and Honda tuning could possibly be even better than this although I can’t say first hand for those
 

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NA tuning is all sad compared to boosted. Boosted often has heavily pulled timing from the factory, and the tunes often add boost as well.

My TT for example went from 225hp to 270hp from a 94 octane tune, but it also upped the boost 7psi.

Even so, a 10hp gain from a $350 tune that also adds to fuel economy is nothing to be upset by when people are spending $200 on an intake worth 5hp
 

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Hey everyone,





TL;DR- This post is for someone who is really trying to decide if they want to get a Tune from him or not. Also just sharing my experience, but I tend to talk a lot so strap in.



To start off this post, I got a very well-paying job as an IT support specialist, which is why I have been able to do everything that I've been doing.. i.e buying the second Eclipse, exterior mods, etc. Since I have a little more money than I used to, I messaged Stayer on the forums saying I'd like to get a tune on the 22nd because this Eclipse is my daily driver and I can't send the ECU halfway across the country to Hackish. I was waiting for the Tactrix cable (which is for sale by me right now for $100, send a PM) to come in, which was scheduled for delivery on the 22nd. So, it came in, and I messaged Stayer letting him know I was ready when he was. He gave me his Whatsapp, and I proceeded to talk to him about the whole process. I understand that it isn't his fault, but even with the translator he uses it is very hard to understand what he means at times. Keep in mind, a person that doesn't speak English and that you are messaging across the world, is tuning your car right now. And is asking how you'd like it tuned. Let that sink in for a second..

He told me we could do it today (Friday, 22nd), or, on Monday since he worked on weekends. I said I'd like to do it ASAP, so of course I picked Friday. He said "good". Waited out the whole day, and no response from Stayer. I was concerned, so I messaged him a few times, all messages that delivered successfully and he read, andddd nothing. I felt stupid for messaging him in the first place, so I just left it alone thinking he'd probably never message me again. There's just something about getting left on read 3 times that puts you in that mindset. Fast forward to the following day, I get a message from him around mid-day saying we can do the tune today, so I just thought "well, that makes no sense, but f*ck it" and grabbed my laptop and the cable and got in my car.

I tell him my teamviewer login, and he successfully connects to my computer. I turn the ignition HALFWAY on, and I needed it fully on, which means he couldn't download my ECU file onto his PC. He seemed to have gotten frustrated and disconnected from my laptop and stopped responding to me for about 20 minutes while I was sitting in my freezing car waiting for a text. I apologized to him several times and he texted me back saying let's do it again. This time, with the ignition fully on, he was able to download my ECU. Right after this process, he disconnected from my PC and left me hanging wondering what was happening for about 15 minutes, then he finally got back to me. He asked me what my mods are etc, so I exchanged information with him for a bit, and surprisingly, he wanted to reconnect again after about 30 minutes, and this time ECUFlash (The program he uses to reflash your ECU) says its 'downloading' something to my car. So I think to myself "is the tune already done?" and "Why did it only take 45 minutes in total?" but, once again, I thought "f*ck it" and he messaged me saying "take a test drive" so I did. I got back from the drive, and I told him everything that I thought had improved (which turned out to be placebo from the excitement that I "got a tune" on my car), and he didn't respond to me. I messaged him asking "wait, is the tune done?" and again, no response. I thought this was a test drive, to which you return and retune the car. I take the car out once more, and realize the car is actually slower than it was about 2 hours ago.

In manual mode, if I floored it in first, my tires would screech for a second and my car would TAKE OFF (in my opinion). After the tune, in first gear, the tires would not screech, and it slowly made it's way through first gear, then slowly into second...third. It felt slow as f*ck, and I drove back home disappointed thinking to myself that I just paid a guy in Russia that I don't know and can't understand $300 to make my car slower. I message him again asking if the tune was done, which he read and didn't reply to. Come next day, I message him again because I feel like I was scammed, and I ask him why he isn't answering any of my messages. He responds. He said something along the lines of "I didn't get any messages from you" but it said he read them and I don't think whatsapp lied. I ended up having a conversation with him about how the car didn't feel fast anymore, let alone 'faster'. He downloaded another tune to my car on Sunday, which also didn't make any sense, simply because he said he wasn't available was the weekend, yet I just got my car tuned on the weekend by him.

Of course, it felt faster after. It felt like the ECU was put back to stock to be honest, but I was glad to have a little bit of kick back into the car. I thanked Stayer, and he eventually told me it's because my transmission is bad, and that the tune he downloaded the first time was one second faster than the current one, but because the friction discs in my transmission were "bad", so he couldn't give me the best tune because my car wouldn't be able to handle that much speed. I was in a very weird spot and just ended up telling him that it felt faster to save some of my time.





All in all, I felt no difference. Sorry.





I'm starting to lose faith in Eclipses. I started out with so much. Nobody makes performance parts for it anymore, and they are completely losing their value year by year. Mitsubishi made a fucking SUV crossover instead of doing what they should have by making a performance car. This car is shunned in every community but this one. These cars barely have any horsepower stock and only some of the most dedicated people I've ever seen have been able to turbo this thing. I think of people who have supercharged or turbo'd eclipses to be legends. I will never get there, especially with this engine that is nearly impossible to modify.
You were reflashing a GS or a GT?

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I think I should explain. Yes, I don't understand English. So when I get messages, I copy them, put them in a Google translator, and get the words translated. But I can only do it from the computer. I can't do this on my phone. So you can see that I read the message, but I don't reply. )))) Naturally. After all, I can only do it on the computer.
With regards to tunes. This man has a clear problem with the automatic transmission.
All melodies are made on the dyno. I read his ECU and see the software. It takes no more than 30 minutes.
However, when we put the melody 185hp. His car was slower than the stock one. I've seen this before on some cars with automatic transmission.
Inside the transmission are the clutch packs. For 1-2 and 3-4 gears. Each package consists of friction and steel discs. When the transmission is switched on, the discs are compressed by the oil pressure. And close this or that transfer. if the oil pressure is low, or the friction discs are worn (become thinner) in this case, the disks slip. And the power is not transmitted to the wheels.
In this instance. I put a more powerful version and the car goes worse. I put a lighter version of 175 HP. This man writes to me that the car went faster. Please make a video.
I'm giving him the fast version again. But he tells me the car is getting slower again. Ultimately established version of with which car faster than stock, but more slowly, than the most powerful.
 

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after a couple of days I'm interested in how things are and how the car feels.
[22:22, 27.2.2019] (Stayer): what is installed now is about 175 HP.
[22:23, 27.2.2019] (Stayer): The main increase in the area of low and medium rpm
[22:25, 27.2.2019] (Stayer): You couldn't have missed the power boost.

[22:26, 27.2.2019] +1 (734) 778-хххх: I definitely noticed more power with the car
[22:26, 27.2.2019] +1 (734) 778-хххх: It is for sure faster than it used to be

as it turned out now, that this was said, to not spend time? Why am I asking questions? To find out the reason and solve the problem. No problem in getting your money back and setting a stock tune. I do not hide and almost always in touch. Let's resolve this issue.
 

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I think I should explain. Yes, I don't understand English. So when I get messages, I copy them, put them in a Google translator, and get the words translated. But I can only do it from the computer. I can't do this on my phone. So you can see that I read the message, but I don't reply. )))) Naturally. After all, I can only do it on the computer.
With regards to tunes. This man has a clear problem with the automatic transmission.
All melodies are made on the dyno. I read his ECU and see the software. It takes no more than 30 minutes.
However, when we put the melody 185hp. His car was slower than the stock one. I've seen this before on some cars with automatic transmission.
Inside the transmission are the clutch packs. For 1-2 and 3-4 gears. Each package consists of friction and steel discs. When the transmission is switched on, the discs are compressed by the oil pressure. And close this or that transfer. if the oil pressure is low, or the friction discs are worn (become thinner) in this case, the disks slip. And the power is not transmitted to the wheels.
In this instance. I put a more powerful version and the car goes worse. I put a lighter version of 175 HP. This man writes to me that the car went faster. Please make a video.
I'm giving him the fast version again. But he tells me the car is getting slower again. Ultimately established version of with which car faster than stock, but more slowly, than the most powerful.
You can install Google Translate on your phone:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.translate

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I think I should explain. Yes, I don't understand English. So when I get messages, I copy them, put them in a Google translator, and get the words translated. But I can only do it from the computer. I can't do this on my phone. So you can see that I read the message, but I don't reply. )))) Naturally. After all, I can only do it on the computer.
With regards to tunes. This man has a clear problem with the automatic transmission.
All melodies are made on the dyno. I read his ECU and see the software. It takes no more than 30 minutes.
However, when we put the melody 185hp. His car was slower than the stock one. I've seen this before on some cars with automatic transmission.
Inside the transmission are the clutch packs. For 1-2 and 3-4 gears. Each package consists of friction and steel discs. When the transmission is switched on, the discs are compressed by the oil pressure. And close this or that transfer. if the oil pressure is low, or the friction discs are worn (become thinner) in this case, the disks slip. And the power is not transmitted to the wheels.
In this instance. I put a more powerful version and the car goes worse. I put a lighter version of 175 HP. This man writes to me that the car went faster. Please make a video.
I'm giving him the fast version again. But he tells me the car is getting slower again. Ultimately established version of with which car faster than stock, but more slowly, than the most powerful.
He has a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS or GT with automatic transmission?

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So he's having a temper tantrum at your expense as well as Mitsubishi's when he's too cheap to get a GT or a GT Spyder...the higher tier model and have a permanent grin on his face?

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I already wrote that I met with such a problem on other cars. The f4a4b automatic transmission is very weak, up to 200 HP. She works until a new. Or if you drive like grandpa for 80 years. As soon as you start a sharp ride, frequent acceleration and intense driving, this gearbox begins to slip. For example, for vehicles above 200 HP, the factory installed a more powerful gearbox F4a51 (old) or F4A5A (new). These transmissions can handle 500+ HP.
I wrote him that I needed to replace the friction discs. This is done in the workshop, it is inexpensive. They can strengthen a little. To do this, the oil pressure in the system is increased, and more powerful disks are installed.

So it could very well be. However, I wanted to say the words of protection in my favor. There is no trick or deception in the setup. About this say many who tuned in I have. It just happened. But I think we will solve this issue. Or I'll set the stock settings back and get the money back.
 

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So just to clarify Stayer, you are able to use ECUFlash to read AND write to the 2.4 4 Cylinder GS Auto ECU?
Yes, I use Ecuflash. He used to have some errors and bugs. Now they have eliminated many inconsistencies. But for example to read and write Outlander 2016, again there are errors. This is all eliminated by working with the program.
Did you ask if there are definitions for ecuflash? If you are a programmer, it will not be difficult for you to write definitions with your own hands. If not, then you should not get inside the ECU.
 

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Yes, I use Ecuflash. He used to have some errors and bugs. Now they have eliminated many inconsistencies. But for example to read and write Outlander 2016, again there are errors. This is all eliminated by working with the program.
Did you ask if there are definitions for ecuflash? If you are a programmer, it will not be difficult for you to write definitions with your own hands. If not, then you should not get inside the ECU.
So when you sell tunes and have the user use ECUFlash, you do not provide them with a definition to edit the tune themselves later?

You keep the definition to yourself so that only you can change the tune?
 

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So when you sell tunes and have the user use ECUFlash, you do not provide them with a definition to edit the tune themselves later?

You keep the definition to yourself so that only you can change the tune?
yeah, right. The melody has a finished look and does not require additional intervention. Believe me, you will not do it better.
 

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yeah, right. The melody has a finished look and does not require additional intervention. Believe me, you will not do it better.
I was only asking because I was wondering if it would be possible to use ECUFlash to download the tune off of the car if I have already used Hackish tune and then modify it in ECUFlash with a definition rather than using Fastworks?

Also, do you have stock ROM revisions for the different factory tune's available that are unmodified that can be flashed with ECUFlash?
 
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