I'm voting for you buying a manual car and swapping everything over. Do you have a ECU tune yet?
For cheap & easy AWD. I can get a running Endeavor for $2-4K. I'd spend 4x that trying to go the 2nd-gen GSX route, IF I could even find the parts. And then there's a TON of custom fab work that will double the cost of parts. Not for me, thanks! I want to spend less time under the car and more time on the trails.Why would you swap all of that endeavor stuff in?
Do not swap Endeavor electronics and computers into your Eclipse, they’re close enough already, but the wiring and making it all work will be a nightmare, plus, why would you?For cheap & easy AWD. I can get a running Endeavor for $2-4K. I'd spend 4x that trying to go the 2nd-gen GSX route, IF I could even find the parts. And then there's a TON of custom fab work that will double the cost of parts. Not for me, thanks! I want to spend less time under the car and more time on the trails.
Do not swap Endeavor electronics and computers into your Eclipse, they’re close enough already, but the wiring and making it all work will be a nightmare, plus, why would you?
the endeavor 4g69 is identical to ours, I’d argue that they put the better engines into the Eclipses though because they expected them to be ran harder, maybe, but that’s just speculation
as far as endeavor trans, manual or auto?
Is your eclipse manual or auto? You have an Eclipse GS right? Tell us the basics first for Pete’s sake lol
and btw, the second gen Eclipse engines are reverse of our 4G6x engine, timing belt and transmission are reversed, it would be like the Evo 1-3, ours is like the Evo 4-9
If you get the Endeavors FSM you can see how many solenoids there are in the transmission and how to control it to activate each gear, and the wiringI have a '06 GT Auto. Which is why I am not doing any manual conversion/swap. Too much modding and wiring.
I contacted some of the best Eclipse tuners and they all said the same thing: the Endeavor transmission mates to the Eclipse's 6G75 physically, but it keeps going into limp mode and nobody's figured out how to fix it. Maybe one day someone can reprogram the ECU, but I don't want to wait on a maybe.
The Endeavor engine is the same 6G75 engine as the Eclipse's but without MIVEC, and output is about 225 HP. As far as I know, all Endeavor's, FWD or AWD, use the 6G75 3.8L V6. All 3 PS-platform vehicles (Eclipse, Galant, Endeavor) come with an optional 5-speed FWD transmission, the F5A51 or F5A5A (very little literature exists on these transmissions). However, only the Endeavor was offered with an AWD transmission/transfer case, the W4A5A. Normally a transmission is used in a large range of models for cost-cutting, but I can't find any other vehicle, Mitsubishi or otherwise, that uses the W4A5A. So I believe the Endeavor's ECU is unique and is why nobody has successfully paired it with another engine. And this is why I want to keep this engine/transmission combo the way it is, but in a much lighter, shorter chassis, the Eclipse's!
If you get the Endeavors FSM you can see how many solenoids there are in the transmission and how to control it to activate each gear, and the wiring
compare that to the Eclipse transmission
and the GS transmissions will not bolt right up your GT engine
easiest thing to do to get AWD is to have a GS manual and then drop an Evo 4-9 trans in it, very simple wiring that plugs directly in
you’ll have a hard enough time physically making the AWD system go in with the rear subframe and all that
I know you have a GT auto, I'm telling you that the "cheapest and easiest path to AWD" is to sell it, get a GS manual, and throw in an Evo 4-9 trans, at least it won't be an electrical nightmare, it'll just be a physically putting it together nightmareI'm not sure if I mistyped earlier or something, but I don't have a GS nor have plans to buy one.
I have a GT Auto and looking for the cheapest, easiest path to AWD. A $2000 Endeavor is this path.
Auto is fine, I will be focused on the terrain more than shifting.
4-speed is fine, I'm not racing 100+ MPH.
No LSD is fine, they are better suited for racing than offroading anyway, and that's what brake-activated traction control is for.
No MIVEC is fine, less parts to break.
I guess the only way to proceed is to go get the Endeavor and a cheap non-running Eclipse and start swapping the drivetrain over, and work one problem at a time.
Thank you for your input and good luck with your build!
Thanks! Any info would be greatly appreciated. I was inspired by ZKdawg's build. His ECU tuner knows something that the others don't. Share the wealth (of information)!I just sorta glanced past the last bit, but...
The endeavor auto 4 speed for the AWD can and has been run by the GT 5 speed computer before. ZKdawg on the forum did it. He's not on here anymore, but I can bug him to see if he would give you tips.
I'm not in the same boat as Kyle what so ever here, as from speaking to him, it was a very straightforward install, and it cost him under $2000 when it was all done.
And the video of you offroading made me laugh, as I scraped in a parking lot earlier today. If I could tow with it, I'd do a lifted 4G in a heartbeat